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My house did have
a reputation of being haunted,

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and a lot of the kids
would not stay in it.

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It's this amount of death
that can leave

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a physical charge
and can cause

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paranormal activity to happen.

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It knows details about my life

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that only my mother
and my father would know.

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At first glance,
you wouldn't connect a series

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of text messages to
something paranormal,

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but developments are going to
make us look at this case in

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an entirely more
sinister light.

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Off the charts.
I never experienced anything

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so frightening
in my entire life.

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That's when he found
the crucial piece of evidence

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in this case--
the smoking gun.

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Something was trying to seek
revenge on us.

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Get away from my family!

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I can't move, laying there
frozen, staring at this thing.

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How could this happen
to us both?

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Whatever it wanted from me,
it was definitely evil.

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Moreno Valley
is a very interesting place.

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The M Mountain
has a giant M on it.

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It stands for Moreno Valley.

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A lot of people that are not
from the area, they're like,

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"Oh, that's the place with
the M mountain."

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It's like,
"Yeah, that's Moreno Valley."

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There is some good hiking areas

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as well out here in
Moreno Valley.

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There's also Sycamore Canyon.

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Beautiful.
It looks over the city.

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It's a quiet place to live.

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But just like that, all that
changed one night.

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All the problems started for us
that one night.

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I was working late, so I was
going to pick up pizza for

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my wife and the kids.

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The pizza place is about
10 minutes away from the house.

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And while I was in line,

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I heard a ding go off
on my phone.

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- Any mushrooms on it?
- Two slices.

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There's advertisement all over
the window, so you can't really

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see in or out.

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So I kind of glanced outside
and looked around,

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and I don't see anybody
on their phone

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or anything that would show
there's someone texting me.

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And I thought, you know,
that's really creepy.

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Like, who would
send something like that?

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And I get another ding,
and it's another message.

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And it was accurate.

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What it just texted me
was accurate.

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The scenery, there was
the three females

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and the one male.

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The cashier looks at me,
and he noticed something's off.

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He could see it
on my face, and he's like,
"What's going on?"

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I'm like,
"I got a weird message,

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but don't even worry about it."

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And he's like, "All right."
So he gives me my pizza,

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and then I start heading home.

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I'm already weirded out at
this point.

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I'm trying to just get home
and just enjoy this pizza with

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my family, because I don't know
who this is or what they want.

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So I'm just trying to get it
out my mind.

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So then I arrive at my house,
and I get that ding,

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and I see that it's another
message coming in.

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Now I'm freaked out.
Now I'm looking around again.

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It's got me scanning the area.
I don't see anybody.

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There's no signs of anything.

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The name was Luke Wilkes.

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I went and clicked on who this
is to see if it's anything that

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would give me an idea
who's writing me.

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There was no profile picture.
There was no cover photo.

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It said that the account was
activated since 2013.

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Had no friends.
It had nothing.

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It was a blank account.

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In reviewing Malcolm's case,

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in my 25 years of experience
as a paranormal investigator,

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electronic communications
from a ghost are rare.

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They're extremely rare.

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Malcolm's getting very
disturbing texts that show

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someone is tracking
his movements from

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the restaurant to his home.

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We're dealing with tangible
communications that come from

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a very specific source.

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And he's right to be worried
about this.

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Statistics show that one in
five cases of stalking will

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escalate to physical violence.

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You know, so I'm getting
home with the pizza,

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and I don't know
if I want to tell my wife.

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- Do I enjoy dinner first?
- Is this vegetarian?

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So, you know, I decided,
you know what, I'm gonna go

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ahead and show her the messages
just to get it out of the way.

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I'm trying to ease my mind
and see what she thinks

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about this.
- Let me see.

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And I looked at the message

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and it says, "Give the phone
back to Malcolm."

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The pizza parlor was one thing.

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Now it's breaching
the security of my home.

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Now it's in my home
where my family lives.

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I immediately thought that
there's someone in the house.

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We even went as far as my wife
and my son, they went inside

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the restroom and they stayed in
there and they closed the door.

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And I went and scanned
the whole house,

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but I couldn't find anyone.

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Whoever this is, whatever this
is, where the hell is it?

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I'm pissed off.

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So, I come over to the door
and I look outside.

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I don't see anything.
I look over here.

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I'm looking out in the field.
I look out in the street.

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I don't see anything.

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So, I just yell out.
I'm like,

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"Leave me the [bleep] alone.

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"Just leave me
the [bleep] alone already

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and get away from my family."

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I thought maybe someone hacked
in and can see what's going on

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the inside of my home.

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There are tools that cyber
criminals can use to hack

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Malcolm's cell phone,
gain access to his camera,

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track his locations.

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This could be an attempt to
intimidate him.

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But who's doing it
and to what end?

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I was extremely paranoid
continuing my everyday life.

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I'm always looking
in my rearview mirror.

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I'm always looking out
the windows and just nervous,

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and scared, and worried of
what's gonna come next.

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I started thinking,
like, you know,

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"Did I wrong anyone?

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Did I, you know, make
anyone angry?"

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And I couldn't come up
with anything.

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As an investigator, I'm asking
the same questions.

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I'm looking at flesh and blood
individuals that Malcolm may

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have wronged to the point
they're unstable enough that

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they are trying to get into
his life from outside

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and break it apart.

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At first glance,
you wouldn't connect a series

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of text messages to
something paranormal,

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but developments are going to
make us look at this case in

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an entirely more
sinister light.

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What?

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The messages are still
coming in.

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And I wrote it back,
"This conversation's over.

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"I don't want anything to do
with you.

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Please leave me alone,
leave my family alone."

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It said that I had escaped
death twice.

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And it was terrifying
because that was true.

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When I was born,
I was premature.

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I had trouble breathing.
I almost didn't make it.

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Very few people know
about that.

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And the second time I almost
died was from a drunk driver.

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It knows details about my life
that, I mean, it's almost like

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only my mother,
my father would know.

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This could be something not of
this world.

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It said that I'm gonna get
murdered or killed by gunfire.

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And that there
scared me more than anything.

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It chilled me to my bones.

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We had a family trip
planned for Texas.

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My wife went with her family,
I stayed.

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I felt like I was
the main target.

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It hasn't really said much
about my family,

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just about me personally.

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And it's basically telling me
that I escaped death twice,

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I won't a third time.
So I didn't take the risk.

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That's when things got
really crazy.

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I woke up and there was dishes.

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They were all like pulled to
the edge of the counter,

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like almost like,
you know, toying, like someone

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could bump it and it'll fall
but they were everywhere.

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You know, they're all pulled to
the edge of the cabinets,

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they're pulled to the edge
of the countertops.

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Now I'm feeling odd,
like, OK, this isn't a person.

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Obviously, there's no one in
my house.

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This has to be some sort
of entity.

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They started mocking the Bible,
mocking scriptures.

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So it's kind of like,
you know, almost like

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a grim reaper.

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Because if he's death himself,
that's what a grim reaper is.

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He's death.

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I was sitting alone
and I started to think like,

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"You know, I'm getting hungry,
I'm gonna go heat up
a piece of pizza."

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Now it also knows what
I'm thinking.

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I'm extremely terrified.

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This is the moment when it
becomes clear to me that we are

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not dealing with
a flesh-and-blood stalker.

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Malcolm's harasser comes from
that other world.

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I started trying to connect
the dots and thought maybe it

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could have started back
when I was 12 years old.

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There was this one night
in my bedroom,

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and I had woke up
because I heard the door creak.

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And when I was looking at it,

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I watched the door
creak open a little bit.

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And I'm watching, waiting for
someone to come in, and I watch

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it creak open just
a little bit more.

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And now I'm terrified,
but no one ever enters the room.

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Two weeks goes by, and I hear
something at the door.

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And I watch the door handle
just go down one

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and goes up again,

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and then it kind of rattles.

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And now I'm freaked out, so
I throw the covers over my head,

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and I'm kind of just peeking
out, watching, waiting for

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someone to either come in
or if the door

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was going to keep going,

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but the door just did it
by its own.

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There was no one there.

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And I connected that
because that's all I have.

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I have nothing else.
I'm going crazy.

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I'm like, OK, maybe that was
something paranormal

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because now I'm older and
I understand what paranormal is.

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It could be that.
It could be the same thing.

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I don't know.

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There have been cases in which
an entity attaches itself to

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a person and then reappears at
different points throughout

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that person's life.

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In Malcolm's case, he's dealing
with an entity that seems bent

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on destabilizing him
and perhaps rendering

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him vulnerable.
For what, we don't yet know.

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I started waking up
with scratches.

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It was almost like an animal
had attacked me.

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There was no pain associated
with these scratches.

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That is until I started waking
up with scratches on my face.

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And those scratches burned.

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And it was on my forehead,

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it was on both sides of
my cheeks,

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and they were just so fine.

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Not human fingernails,
I mean, just so fine.

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What began
as a psychological campaign

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has now progressed
to physical abuse.

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It has escalated an entire order
of magnitude.

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It said that I'm gonna roll
a dice and each number had

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a consequence of what
would happen.

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And then there was one on there
that it-- it gets me emotional,

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because of how real it was.

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But it said on number six that
it was going to visit my mom

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and it was gonna help
her take her life.

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And I just stared at my phone.

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Hello?

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Malcolm, you have
to come over quick!

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Something's wrong with Mom.

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My little sister said,
"Can you hurry over here?

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Something's wrong with Mom."

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When I arrive
at my Mom's house,

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she's got the door locked.
She's barricaded in the room.

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Mom?

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Leave me alone.
I'm talking to God.

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Mom?

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Get the hell out.

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And my mom's never talked to
me like that my whole life.

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I'm hopeful that we will be
able to meet one day soon.

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You just have to tell me
what I need to do.

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Yes, I need to see you.

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She's like, "My whole life
I've wanted to talk to God,

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"and now I'm talking to him

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and you're gonna interrupt
that conversation."

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Go away.

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I was like, "And what is God
telling you to do?"

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She's like, "He told me
where I could go

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to go kill myself."

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She's like,
"So that I can meet him."

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And I told her, I said,
"Mom, God would never tell

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"you to go take your life.

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That's not God."

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Hail Mary, full of grace,
the Lord is with thee.

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And eventually,
my mom snaps out of it.

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Now, not only are we seeing
physical abuse directly aimed

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at Malcolm, but this entity is
tormenting those that

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he cares about.

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It's attacking him
indirectly as well,

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by means of his family.

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I'm driving home,
and I'm just a wreck.

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I started thinking,

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what could have been something
earlier in my life,

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since it knows about me,
that could have happened,

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that it could possibly be
this same entity?

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So I was actually right here
when it got hit

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on this crossroad,
this intersection.

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I was on a bicycle, and I was
coming across the street.

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There was a drunk driver that
blew the light here.

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I hit the hood, and I went in
the air, and I grabbed,

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you know, my shoulders.

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And I remember saying out loud,
"Don't die, don't die,

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don't die, don't die."
Like, I just kept repeating it.

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And then just, boom,
it went black.

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And then I wake up
down the street.

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This is where, when I got back
to my consciousness,

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this is where I actually was.

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As I'm laying there,
there's a silhouette,

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like a lady that walks up.

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Cars are zooming by.

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As soon as she approaches me,
it goes silent,

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and all I hear is her.

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Everything is going
to be OK.

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The cops come and they're like,

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"Are you OK?
Is everything fine?"

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I said,
"Can you tell that lady to come

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back here real quick?"
He goes, "What lady?"

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He said, "I've been parked
right there."

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He said, "There's no lady."

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I was like, "There was a lady.
She was just talking to me."

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OK, and I was like,
"I'm alive, right?"

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He's like,
"Yeah, you're alive."

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And he laughs-- he goes,
"We're having this conversation.

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You're here.
You're OK, man."

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But he said
there was no lady there,

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and I vividly remember her.
- Don't worry.

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If there are dark,
negative spirits,

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00:19:19,074 --> 00:19:21,076
as many believe,
it stands to reason

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they must have a counterpart.

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If the bad actors are wandering
around targeting people like

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Malcolm, is there an equivalent
of a spiritual police officer,

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someone that will, or something,
that will respond and protect?

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Is this the female spirit that
came and aided Malcolm

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after his hit-and-run?

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I started to realize doing
extensive research that when

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you have a near-death
experience, that veil is

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thinned out and you're so close
to death and that it's like,

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almost like, you were one foot
in and one foot out.

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You were kind of alive,
kind of dead.

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And now that veil, I feel,

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is forever thinned
out spiritually.

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That day, yes, I was talking to
a guardian angel and something

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of good nature.

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But I feel that that also
allowed possibly something else

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to enter my life.

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00:20:10,125 --> 00:20:11,210
That could have been the entity

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00:20:11,293 --> 00:20:12,502
that is trying to come
after me.

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Because he brings up that time
I supposedly skipped death.

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So it could have entered
through that thinned-out veil

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00:20:19,509 --> 00:20:20,969
the same way
the guardian angel did.

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I have a friend that mentioned
to me, he's like,

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"Malcolm, you're the only one
that can solve this.

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00:20:29,561 --> 00:20:32,356
"If you want it bad enough,
you aren't fearful of it

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00:20:32,481 --> 00:20:35,317
and you stand up to it,
you can solve this."

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In my mind, I was like,
"You know, he's right."

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00:20:37,402 --> 00:20:39,988
What if I try my hardest to
eliminate that fear,

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00:20:40,113 --> 00:20:42,074
regardless of everything
it's done,

333
00:20:42,157 --> 00:20:44,284
be stronger than it
and not fear it

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00:20:44,368 --> 00:20:46,328
and show it no type of
fear emotion?

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00:20:47,621 --> 00:20:48,622
Nice job, bud.

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00:20:50,290 --> 00:20:52,292
After that conversation,
it's like he gave me armor.

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00:20:52,376 --> 00:20:54,503
I was ready to battle whatever
this was.

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00:20:54,628 --> 00:20:55,921
And I said, "I'm not scared
of you.

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00:20:56,004 --> 00:20:57,631
"My kids aren't scared of you.
My wife isn't scared of you.

340
00:20:57,714 --> 00:20:59,007
"My mom isn't scared of you.

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00:20:59,091 --> 00:21:00,884
Nobody has any fear
of you anymore."

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00:21:04,805 --> 00:21:06,390
And it just did
this evil laugh

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00:21:06,515 --> 00:21:08,976
all the way
from the living room,

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00:21:09,059 --> 00:21:10,102
and I laughed back at it.

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00:21:10,185 --> 00:21:11,353
It's like, "I don't fear you."

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00:21:17,067 --> 00:21:19,444
At the end of the day,
it was the fear that we fed it,

347
00:21:19,528 --> 00:21:20,862
that it was just consuming it.

348
00:21:21,989 --> 00:21:23,198
Once we eliminated that,

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00:21:23,282 --> 00:21:24,866
that's when
it started diminishing

350
00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:27,661
to the point where it wasn't
even happening anymore.

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00:21:29,621 --> 00:21:32,124
There he is!

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00:21:32,207 --> 00:21:36,503
Sometimes the best way
to defuse a dangerous situation

353
00:21:36,586 --> 00:21:38,380
is not to escalate it.

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00:21:40,173 --> 00:21:44,136
Malcolm's approach becomes,
I'm not being afraid anymore.

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00:21:44,219 --> 00:21:45,971
I will not be harassed.

356
00:21:46,054 --> 00:21:49,182
And as he takes this approach,
the activity begins to

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00:21:49,266 --> 00:21:51,810
dissipate until finally it
stops altogether.

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00:21:54,521 --> 00:21:55,897
It's been six years now

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00:21:56,023 --> 00:21:58,400
and we haven't received
any texts,

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00:21:58,483 --> 00:22:00,736
and it's going great.
Life is great.

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00:22:00,819 --> 00:22:03,947
This experience actually
changed my view on

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00:22:04,072 --> 00:22:06,575
the paranormal world,
and the reason for that is

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00:22:06,658 --> 00:22:09,244
I went into all this
as a skeptic,

364
00:22:10,620 --> 00:22:14,416
and it opened up my mind vastly
to what's out there.

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00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:44,488
I was born and raised

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00:22:44,571 --> 00:22:46,406
in the small town of
Napier, Ontario.

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00:22:48,075 --> 00:22:48,992
When I was growing up,

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00:22:49,076 --> 00:22:51,161
the population would have been
around 25.

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00:22:53,246 --> 00:22:56,333
I was constantly outside,
hunting, fishing,

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00:22:56,416 --> 00:22:57,918
canoeing, kayaking.

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00:22:59,628 --> 00:23:00,754
It was all pretty idyllic.

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00:23:02,631 --> 00:23:04,132
Then, one day...

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00:23:05,550 --> 00:23:06,551
everything changed.

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00:23:08,178 --> 00:23:10,013
It was the beginning of
a living nightmare.

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00:23:17,813 --> 00:23:19,940
I remember the day,
because that's when my parents

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00:23:20,023 --> 00:23:21,024
came back from a trip.

377
00:23:22,943 --> 00:23:25,612
Wait till you see
what I got you.

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00:23:25,695 --> 00:23:27,739
What do you think?
Pretty sweet, eh?

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00:23:27,823 --> 00:23:29,533
My parents went on vacation
to Virginia.

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00:23:32,744 --> 00:23:33,745
They're big into history.

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00:23:35,622 --> 00:23:37,416
My dad's into
Civil War reenacting,

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00:23:37,499 --> 00:23:39,084
and stuff like that.

383
00:23:39,167 --> 00:23:40,669
There's so much history
in Virginia.

384
00:23:45,340 --> 00:23:47,467
Wow!
Cool, Mom.

385
00:23:47,551 --> 00:23:52,139
And look at this.
She's so old.

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00:23:53,807 --> 00:23:56,309
They were excited, had a great
time, telling me what they did,

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00:23:57,561 --> 00:23:58,979
all the historical sites
that they'd seen.

388
00:24:03,108 --> 00:24:07,320
My house reflects history,
and the love for old things.

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00:24:07,446 --> 00:24:10,824
Those things mean a lot to me
because then that's a way of

390
00:24:10,907 --> 00:24:13,785
making that person still stay
alive somehow.

391
00:24:16,496 --> 00:24:18,957
My friends would
come from school,

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00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,835
and some of them were scared to
even stay here at night.

393
00:24:27,007 --> 00:24:28,091
There's a lot of things in
the house

394
00:24:28,175 --> 00:24:29,843
that are over 200 years old.

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00:24:38,143 --> 00:24:40,061
Erin Goodpipe, take one.
Marker.

396
00:24:42,689 --> 00:24:45,942
My first impression
hearing about this story is that

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00:24:46,026 --> 00:24:49,446
I think when people are
historians, you're bringing in

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00:24:49,529 --> 00:24:52,282
multiple objects
and objects have histories

399
00:24:52,365 --> 00:24:54,409
and they have
energetic histories.

400
00:24:54,534 --> 00:24:57,245
They have spiritual histories
and that makes objects

401
00:24:57,370 --> 00:24:58,872
spiritually charged,
or at least it has

402
00:24:58,955 --> 00:25:00,165
the potential to.

403
00:25:00,248 --> 00:25:04,211
I'm wondering about the objects
in that space and potentially

404
00:25:04,294 --> 00:25:06,880
the havoc that they could be
causing for the people that are

405
00:25:07,005 --> 00:25:08,673
in relationship
with those objects.

406
00:25:11,259 --> 00:25:15,430
My house did have a reputation
of being haunted.

407
00:25:20,060 --> 00:25:23,522
In this case, it all began in
the basement in Lee's bedroom.

408
00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:28,151
At the time, I'm like,

409
00:25:28,235 --> 00:25:30,070
"I'm gonna put my room
in the basement."

410
00:25:30,153 --> 00:25:32,155
Parents said,
"OK, if you're moving

411
00:25:32,239 --> 00:25:33,240
everything, you can do it."

412
00:25:35,367 --> 00:25:37,577
So when I was a teenager,
this is where my bedroom was.

413
00:25:42,332 --> 00:25:43,333
My bed was right here.

414
00:25:45,335 --> 00:25:46,836
My stereo was beside it.

415
00:25:48,964 --> 00:25:52,300
And this is the spot right here
where I started having

416
00:25:52,425 --> 00:25:54,177
horrible, vivid dreams.

417
00:26:07,107 --> 00:26:08,858
This shadow figure was
following me.

418
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:15,615
It's always like it's three
steps behind you,

419
00:26:17,158 --> 00:26:18,159
ready to grab you.

420
00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:21,246
And then you'd wake up from it.

421
00:26:25,041 --> 00:26:26,751
It was scary.
It felt real.

422
00:26:31,464 --> 00:26:33,633
I kept having the same dream.

423
00:26:33,717 --> 00:26:36,094
It seemed like it picked up
from the same spot.

424
00:26:37,887 --> 00:26:40,473
The whole dream was just
running away constantly...

425
00:26:41,808 --> 00:26:43,310
over and over again.

426
00:27:11,796 --> 00:27:13,882
Finally, I explained it
to my parents...

427
00:27:16,217 --> 00:27:18,345
and they didn't know what to
make of it either, really.

428
00:27:30,190 --> 00:27:32,984
There's nothing particularly
abnormal about having

429
00:27:33,068 --> 00:27:36,112
scary dreams, and you can't
actually say that

430
00:27:36,196 --> 00:27:39,032
that's technically
paranormal in nature.

431
00:27:39,157 --> 00:27:42,285
We have dreams all the time,
and dreams are a way for us

432
00:27:42,369 --> 00:27:44,704
to process things,
and sometimes the content of

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00:27:44,829 --> 00:27:46,915
those dreams can be
very fearful.

434
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,503
As an investigator, I start to
pay attention when dreams begin

435
00:27:51,586 --> 00:27:54,464
to manifest into reality,
and you begin to see what's

436
00:27:54,547 --> 00:27:56,841
happening in your dreams
happening in real life.

437
00:28:05,975 --> 00:28:07,644
This one night, I go to bed.

438
00:28:09,729 --> 00:28:10,730
It's pitch-black.

439
00:28:13,066 --> 00:28:14,526
I can't see anything
down there.

440
00:28:19,739 --> 00:28:22,450
I hear footsteps coming
down the stairs.

441
00:28:25,245 --> 00:28:28,164
It sounded like a person
walking down the stairs.

442
00:28:33,753 --> 00:28:35,338
I heard all the CDs fall
to the floor.

443
00:28:43,221 --> 00:28:46,224
There's absolutely no one in
the room with me.

444
00:28:50,895 --> 00:28:51,896
Dad?

445
00:28:53,231 --> 00:28:54,232
Dad?

446
00:28:56,735 --> 00:28:58,611
I just was awake, listening.

447
00:29:00,071 --> 00:29:01,656
So this...

448
00:29:01,781 --> 00:29:06,119
really put a deep fear in me.
I mean, it was terrifying.

449
00:29:06,202 --> 00:29:07,454
It kept me up all night.

450
00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:15,420
If an intruder came into
the house, then it would have

451
00:29:15,503 --> 00:29:18,131
been the dog barking
because our dogs bark.

452
00:29:18,256 --> 00:29:20,091
Like, I don't know
what happened,

453
00:29:20,175 --> 00:29:21,468
but it wasn't me down there.

454
00:29:24,471 --> 00:29:27,599
In the morning, I come
upstairs and I see my dad in

455
00:29:27,682 --> 00:29:28,808
the kitchen and I'm like,

456
00:29:28,892 --> 00:29:30,810
"What were you doing
in my room last night?"

457
00:29:30,935 --> 00:29:33,062
And my dad's like,
"What are you talking about?"

458
00:29:33,146 --> 00:29:36,316
I thought he was playing a joke
on me or something like that.

459
00:29:36,399 --> 00:29:38,526
And he's like, "I'm telling
you, it wasn't me.

460
00:29:38,651 --> 00:29:40,653
I didn't-- I was not
down there last night."

461
00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:42,864
Your dad was asleep
in bed last night.

462
00:29:42,989 --> 00:29:46,159
But I couldn't help
but think something is off.

463
00:29:47,285 --> 00:29:48,286
Our house felt...

464
00:29:50,288 --> 00:29:51,331
different somehow.

465
00:29:53,333 --> 00:29:55,126
Well, someone's going
through my CDs.

466
00:29:56,503 --> 00:29:57,879
Knocked them on the floor,
all of them.

467
00:29:58,004 --> 00:30:01,299
I started wondering to myself,
is it possible that this

468
00:30:01,382 --> 00:30:04,427
could be ghosts
and paranormal stuff?

469
00:30:07,180 --> 00:30:09,724
When I begin to think about
the paranormal aspect

470
00:30:09,849 --> 00:30:12,685
of this house,
of this area,

471
00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:15,522
I think about
the town's history,

472
00:30:15,605 --> 00:30:17,357
and there is
a layered history here,

473
00:30:17,482 --> 00:30:20,860
a really sad layered history.

474
00:30:20,985 --> 00:30:25,240
Back in the 1880s, there was
an epidemic that swept through

475
00:30:25,365 --> 00:30:28,284
the town and killed
90% of its children.

476
00:30:30,328 --> 00:30:36,793
It's this amount of death that
can leave a physical charge

477
00:30:36,876 --> 00:30:39,712
and can cause paranormal
activity to happen.

478
00:30:42,048 --> 00:30:45,218
There's a lot of
children buried in the cemetery.

479
00:30:45,301 --> 00:30:48,096
One family that has two
children, or three children

480
00:30:48,221 --> 00:30:51,224
actually, that had died from
diphtheria in the course of

481
00:30:51,349 --> 00:30:52,350
a few months.

482
00:30:54,644 --> 00:30:58,815
I think the way that they died
might have left them in limbo,

483
00:31:00,358 --> 00:31:04,320
so they need direction in
finding where they're going to

484
00:31:04,404 --> 00:31:05,405
cross to the other side.

485
00:31:10,076 --> 00:31:12,412
I tend to believe
that spirits act

486
00:31:12,495 --> 00:31:14,372
just as we do
as human beings.

487
00:31:14,455 --> 00:31:17,625
So if there are children that
are buried nearby, we have to

488
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:20,253
think that they lived in
the town and potentially

489
00:31:20,378 --> 00:31:23,131
they had friends or relatives
who lived in the house,

490
00:31:23,256 --> 00:31:24,591
so they could be
paying a visit.

491
00:31:28,011 --> 00:31:31,931
You start to ask yourself,
after this happens a few times,

492
00:31:32,015 --> 00:31:35,560
is it possible that
this could be one of the ghosts

493
00:31:35,643 --> 00:31:40,106
from one of the children
that died in this town?

494
00:31:42,859 --> 00:31:45,695
But this didn't seem like
a child-- it was different.

495
00:31:49,073 --> 00:31:50,783
I'm led to believe that there
is something else

496
00:31:50,867 --> 00:31:51,868
that's going on here.

497
00:32:04,797 --> 00:32:06,466
My grandfather
had passed away,

498
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:07,550
so we moved a bunch of boxes.

499
00:32:07,634 --> 00:32:09,177
We're bringing 'em back here.

500
00:32:10,386 --> 00:32:13,056
His grandfather died suddenly.

501
00:32:13,181 --> 00:32:15,350
He died on Halloween
night, actually.

502
00:32:19,896 --> 00:32:24,233
I always want to ask somebody
who is experiencing a haunting

503
00:32:24,317 --> 00:32:26,653
if there has been a traumatic
event that's happened

504
00:32:26,736 --> 00:32:28,404
or if there's been
death in the family,

505
00:32:28,488 --> 00:32:29,948
because from my belief,

506
00:32:30,073 --> 00:32:33,493
you can have spirits, relatives,
come and pay a visit to you.

507
00:32:36,204 --> 00:32:39,624
So I'm looking through
my grandfather's wallet.

508
00:32:39,749 --> 00:32:40,917
It was just sitting there,

509
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,002
and I wanted to see
what was in it.

510
00:32:45,088 --> 00:32:48,424
So, I just opened it up and was
looking for any pictures

511
00:32:48,508 --> 00:32:50,218
or just to see what he had
in his wallet.

512
00:33:00,895 --> 00:33:02,605
And I noticed something out of
the corner of my eye.

513
00:33:13,616 --> 00:33:14,617
I didn't know what it was.

514
00:33:26,462 --> 00:33:28,214
That's when I saw this thing.

515
00:33:37,473 --> 00:33:38,516
I was frozen.

516
00:33:38,641 --> 00:33:40,143
I'm just standing there like,
"What is this thing?"

517
00:33:50,153 --> 00:33:52,655
I'm freaked out.
I don't even know what to do.

518
00:33:52,739 --> 00:33:54,824
I run screaming down the hall.

519
00:33:54,907 --> 00:33:57,869
All of a sudden,
I heard this horrific scream.

520
00:33:57,994 --> 00:33:59,328
I was so freaked out.

521
00:33:59,454 --> 00:34:01,289
Nothing like that has ever
happened before.

522
00:34:01,372 --> 00:34:04,125
He came running,
and he was white.

523
00:34:04,208 --> 00:34:06,669
I tried to describe it to her.
She was confused.

524
00:34:06,753 --> 00:34:09,922
And I'm like, "What are
you talking about, Lee?

525
00:34:10,006 --> 00:34:11,174
There's nothing here."

526
00:34:11,299 --> 00:34:13,551
And she thought
it was insane.

527
00:34:17,055 --> 00:34:22,185
After somebody dies, from my
belief, spirits can pay visits.

528
00:34:22,268 --> 00:34:24,687
They especially want closure
sometimes before they make

529
00:34:24,812 --> 00:34:26,689
their spirit journey
because they're gonna go on.

530
00:34:26,814 --> 00:34:31,194
But I would say that Lee would
know somewhere deep down

531
00:34:32,487 --> 00:34:33,613
that that was his grandfather.

532
00:34:33,696 --> 00:34:37,867
They're still the person that
they are intrinsically.

533
00:34:37,992 --> 00:34:41,245
Based off of what Lee is
experiencing and the fear

534
00:34:41,370 --> 00:34:44,373
around these occurrences
happening in the home,

535
00:34:44,457 --> 00:34:47,418
it doesn't feel that
this spirit is personal to him.

536
00:34:47,543 --> 00:34:50,213
It doesn't feel like this
is his grandfather.

537
00:34:51,547 --> 00:34:52,548
Off the charts.

538
00:34:52,673 --> 00:34:54,217
I never experienced anything

539
00:34:54,342 --> 00:34:57,386
so frightening
in my entire life.

540
00:34:57,470 --> 00:35:00,848
I went from maybe being on
the fence to a true believer

541
00:35:00,932 --> 00:35:03,476
because I saw something
I definitely couldn't explain.

542
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,648
The basement kind of freaked me
out a bit, so I moved my room

543
00:35:08,731 --> 00:35:11,150
back upstairs
to my old bedroom.

544
00:35:11,234 --> 00:35:13,694
So, I'm in bed
one night...

545
00:35:22,078 --> 00:35:26,249
and floating above me
was this black mass.

546
00:35:27,834 --> 00:35:29,877
I can't move.
I can't speak.

547
00:35:29,961 --> 00:35:32,797
I can't do anything,
laying there frozen,

548
00:35:32,922 --> 00:35:35,091
staring at this thing.

549
00:35:39,595 --> 00:35:43,766
And whatever it wanted from me,
it was definitely evil.

550
00:35:54,235 --> 00:35:58,114
Somehow, I was able to yell.
And as soon as I made a noise...

551
00:36:01,242 --> 00:36:02,285
it disappeared.

552
00:36:03,286 --> 00:36:06,998
I was completely terrified,
scared out of my wits.

553
00:36:08,166 --> 00:36:11,294
It was the same dark,
faceless figure that was

554
00:36:11,377 --> 00:36:12,420
chasing me in my dreams.

555
00:36:18,134 --> 00:36:22,305
So the next morning, I come out
to the table to have breakfast.

556
00:36:22,388 --> 00:36:26,767
My mom's looking at me,
and she's like,

557
00:36:26,851 --> 00:36:27,935
"What's the matter with you?"

558
00:36:28,019 --> 00:36:29,812
She could tell
something was wrong.

559
00:36:29,896 --> 00:36:31,230
So I was a bit apprehensive,

560
00:36:31,314 --> 00:36:33,232
but I told her
what was going on,

561
00:36:33,316 --> 00:36:35,651
about what happened in
the room the night before.

562
00:36:36,819 --> 00:36:41,032
In the morning, Lee came to me
and said he had this dream.

563
00:36:41,157 --> 00:36:42,783
And I'm like,
"Oh my god,

564
00:36:42,867 --> 00:36:44,744
that's the same thing
that happened to me."

565
00:36:46,913 --> 00:36:49,874
It was horrible that we had
the same dream.

566
00:37:02,386 --> 00:37:04,138
It floated over me

567
00:37:04,263 --> 00:37:06,224
and wanted me
to go with it.

568
00:37:10,353 --> 00:37:12,480
"No," I was screaming,
"I'm not going with you,

569
00:37:12,605 --> 00:37:15,775
I'm not going with you."
But I couldn't move.

570
00:37:15,858 --> 00:37:17,276
It was like it held me there.

571
00:37:26,827 --> 00:37:29,288
Finally, I did scream
loud enough.

572
00:37:30,581 --> 00:37:33,125
How could this happen to
us both?

573
00:37:33,209 --> 00:37:35,544
What on earth is going on in
this house?

574
00:37:37,171 --> 00:37:40,091
There's too many things to
write it off as a coincidence,

575
00:37:40,174 --> 00:37:46,138
and each new thing seems to
progressively get worse from

576
00:37:46,222 --> 00:37:47,348
the last one.

577
00:37:47,473 --> 00:37:50,393
I think if I would have went
with it, I felt like

578
00:37:50,518 --> 00:37:53,271
maybe I was gonna die.
I'm not sure.

579
00:37:54,730 --> 00:37:55,731
It scared me.

580
00:37:57,608 --> 00:37:58,609
It's frightening at
this point.

581
00:38:00,361 --> 00:38:04,782
When two people,
Nancy and Lee, both wake up

582
00:38:04,865 --> 00:38:09,662
from a nightmare and are having
the experience of a shadowy,

583
00:38:09,745 --> 00:38:12,873
dark entity that is hovering
above them.

584
00:38:12,999 --> 00:38:14,542
And they wake up
at the same time,

585
00:38:14,625 --> 00:38:16,544
and they share that together.

586
00:38:16,627 --> 00:38:18,421
To me, this legitimizes

587
00:38:18,546 --> 00:38:21,048
a paranormal activity
that's happening here.

588
00:38:21,132 --> 00:38:24,552
This spirit is provoking
the Bernier family.

589
00:38:24,635 --> 00:38:29,015
And when a spirit is provoking
like that, it leads me to

590
00:38:29,098 --> 00:38:31,767
believe that there is
an important message that

591
00:38:31,892 --> 00:38:34,437
they're trying to get across,
or there's something that

592
00:38:34,562 --> 00:38:36,564
the spirit wants
this family to do.

593
00:38:38,316 --> 00:38:40,192
What caused all this?

594
00:38:40,276 --> 00:38:44,739
The only thing I could pinpoint
was all of this stuff started

595
00:38:44,864 --> 00:38:49,702
happening in the house after my
parents' vacation to Virginia.

596
00:38:49,785 --> 00:38:52,913
I started going back through
the photo album that they had.

597
00:38:52,997 --> 00:38:56,584
I was just trying to find some
kind of clue or something

598
00:38:56,709 --> 00:39:00,463
because it felt like someone
or something was trying to seek

599
00:39:00,588 --> 00:39:02,631
revenge on us.

600
00:39:02,757 --> 00:39:04,884
That's when he found
the crucial piece of evidence

601
00:39:04,967 --> 00:39:06,886
in this case-- the smoking gun.

602
00:39:08,346 --> 00:39:11,474
On their trip, Lee's parents
visited a cemetery

603
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:12,933
in Richmond, Virginia,

604
00:39:13,017 --> 00:39:16,437
where 18,000 Confederate
soldiers were buried.

605
00:39:19,398 --> 00:39:21,067
It's called Hollywood Cemetery.

606
00:39:21,150 --> 00:39:24,236
And on all these mausoleums,
they have ivy

607
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,614
growing everywhere.
It's gorgeous.

608
00:39:27,782 --> 00:39:29,116
I'm a florist.

609
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,494
I had never seen anything
like that.

610
00:39:31,619 --> 00:39:35,081
So I just plucked a little
piece of ivy and brought it

611
00:39:35,164 --> 00:39:36,165
back with me.

612
00:39:37,666 --> 00:39:40,378
Nancy didn't realize when
she picked that ivy,

613
00:39:40,461 --> 00:39:41,962
she was picking it
from the gravesite

614
00:39:42,088 --> 00:39:43,839
of General George Pickett,

615
00:39:43,964 --> 00:39:46,050
who had actually done
some pretty terrible

616
00:39:46,133 --> 00:39:47,134
and gruesome things.

617
00:39:48,511 --> 00:39:50,388
General Pickett was
a Civil War general,

618
00:39:50,471 --> 00:39:52,681
led a famous charge.

619
00:39:52,807 --> 00:39:55,851
He lost 7,500 men.
It was a bloodbath.

620
00:39:58,187 --> 00:40:01,524
After that battle,
he executed 22 soldiers that

621
00:40:01,649 --> 00:40:04,735
refused to pick up arms
and fight with him,

622
00:40:04,819 --> 00:40:08,030
one of them being a kid
that was only 15 years old.

623
00:40:10,658 --> 00:40:14,161
Pickett was a guy that had
a lot of blood on his hands.

624
00:40:14,286 --> 00:40:16,997
The ivy came from his grave.

625
00:40:17,123 --> 00:40:21,335
To bring that ivy into this
home, maybe some of that anger

626
00:40:21,460 --> 00:40:23,504
and aggression
followed with it.

627
00:40:25,005 --> 00:40:29,593
One meaning behind ivy is that
when you place it next to

628
00:40:29,677 --> 00:40:33,347
somebody's grave site,
you're hoping that the ivy will

629
00:40:33,472 --> 00:40:37,101
contribute to this person
living forever

630
00:40:37,184 --> 00:40:40,187
in the afterlife.
It's a symbol of immortality.

631
00:40:43,065 --> 00:40:44,984
That was my aha moment.

632
00:40:45,067 --> 00:40:47,987
All the stuff that's been going
on, that's because you guys

633
00:40:48,070 --> 00:40:49,071
took this ivy.

634
00:40:50,573 --> 00:40:54,243
I had no idea what ivy meant
on a grave.

635
00:40:54,368 --> 00:40:56,871
The ivy was the problem
in the house.

636
00:40:59,874 --> 00:41:03,169
And so there is
the potential that this spirit,

637
00:41:03,252 --> 00:41:06,839
if it is George Pickett,
that he is trying to send

638
00:41:06,922 --> 00:41:09,341
a message here of his authority,
that he was wrong,

639
00:41:09,425 --> 00:41:10,718
that he felt disrespected.

640
00:41:12,428 --> 00:41:13,888
I'm like, "This has to go."

641
00:41:15,848 --> 00:41:18,517
I didn't just bring back ivy.

642
00:41:18,601 --> 00:41:20,644
I brought back a dark entity,

643
00:41:20,728 --> 00:41:23,522
and I do not want that
in my home anymore.

644
00:41:27,693 --> 00:41:33,324
And so, when Nancy decided to
burn the ivy, I think that

645
00:41:33,407 --> 00:41:36,702
would have symbolized to
General George Pickett

646
00:41:36,785 --> 00:41:40,247
that, "I didn't mean to do that,
and I'm dissipating this now."

647
00:41:46,045 --> 00:41:49,173
I haven't had that terrible,
reoccurring dream ever since.

648
00:41:51,592 --> 00:41:52,927
We didn't have anything
after that.

649
00:41:54,136 --> 00:41:56,931
I think the lesson to be
learned here is,

650
00:41:57,014 --> 00:41:59,808
don't remove anything
from a cemetery.

651
00:41:59,934 --> 00:42:03,521
The last thing you want is
something dark gunning for you.